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we are the foundation for aids research. if anyone was affected, we were all affected. >> amazing contribution to the arts and to this cause. debbie reynolds, thank you very, very much tonight. it was an honor to have you on the phone. >> happy to have been here and happy to represent elizabeth for a moment. she's in a better place and out of pain, that's the main thing. >> thank you very much. kenneth cole, chairman of amfar, sorry for your loss and sorry we don't have more time to discuss this. that is all the time we have for this edition. "the rachel maddow show" is up next. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, lawrence. thank you for that. thanks to you at home for staying with us this hour. we will be joined live from libya in a moment by nbc's richard engel, doing amazing reporting from the war zone there. are we allowed to call it a war zone? let's call it a war zone, while interviewing rebels on the frontlines in libya earlier today. richard and his crew found themselves on the wrong side of what i think was an artillery barrage. that is to say they were not far from it and covering from a safe distance, they were in the middle of it.
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richard and his crew are fine. we will have that amazing footage for you in a moment and richard will join us live. but put yourself in richard engel's shoes for a moment. if you had the job of being nbc's chief foreign correspondent, and say like him you speak arabic, your special area of expertise is the middle east, it's hard to imagine at this point when you get to come home, isn't it? i mean, the uprisings in tunisia that began four months ago, continued to rickochet, swell through north africa and through the mideast, bahrain, yemen, syria, now libya. as our country tries to get our american heads around not only what's happening in the mid east but also our relationship to it as americans, the great american awkwardness at the heart of this is how close the united states is and how supportive the united
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states has been to all of the leaders that are now getting overthrown by their own people, or where there are people trying it. from tunisia to hosni mubarak, the great u.s. ally of three decades. to yemen, to worries about al qaeda and extremism in that area of the world. he is supposedly our ally against terrorism. even moammar gadhafi, most americans if they think of him at all think of him as a ridiculous cartoon villain. even he has recently been considered an ostensible american ally. whose planes the american military shot down in 1986. a man whose house ronald reagan shot a missile. even gadhafi was made into a supposed u.s. ally by the george call a diplomatic victory after the fiasco that was the fake
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weapons of mass destruction in iraq. it is hard enough to figure out how americans can best help out popular uprisings of people that want to determine their own future instead of living under a despot. that is hard enough. how do you figure it out when the despot in question is our despot. when he has enjoyed american support, american seal of approval? that's why there was this collective national stomach turning when we saw images of made in the usa tear gas cannisters thrown at the people in egypt. the u.s. was neutral, then moved against mubarak. but had mubarak kept control of the military, ultimately it wouldn't have been tear gas, it would have been american tanks and f-16 fighter js squaring off against the peaceful protest movement america was supporting. in libya now, there's some of that same awkwardness. justin elliott had a piece at salon.com that was helpful and
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interesting, noting that the george w. bush administration's embrace of gadhafi and their military brought about something a year ago that brought senior libyan officers to the headquarters of the u.s. pentagon command center leading the fight against that exact same libyan military. think about that a second. pentagon division now fighting them in a war. and it is looking more and more like a war. the u.n. security council vote that authorized what's happening, that vote was to protect civilians by enforcing a no-fly zone over the country, right? but it authorized member states taking, quote, all necessary measures to protect civilians there. we are now into that all necessary measures part. reports from libya saying there is no one other than the
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coalition flying over libya. only coalition aircraft are in the skies. but what they are doing is attacking gadhafi's military on the ground, attacking tanks and missile launchers, attacking military ground forces. >> our priorities are mechanized forces, artillery, those mobile integrated -- those mobile surface to air missile sites, interrupting lines of communication that supply their beans and their bullets, their command and control and any opportunities for sustainment of that activity. >> to be clear, what is happening in libya includes enforcing that no-fly zone, but it also is more than that. it also includes essentially a u.s.-led war on gadhafi's military. and the u.s. leadership part of it the american government keeps saying, the leadership part will
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end soon. that's what president obama said when asked last night about his exit strategy. >> the exit strategy will be executed this week in the sense we will be pulling back from our much more active efforts to shape the environment. >> this week says president obama. mr. obama's secretary of state, hillary clinton, reading from the same page. >> it will be one week on saturday. will it happen by saturday? >> well, it will be days, whether by saturday or not dendup t eluioma byurilarcoanrs onwi o aiean pane. >> this repeated insistence that the u.s. is not going to lead this thing, it doesn't just have an international audience, it is not just about telling the muslim wor, for example, that america isn't leading this charge, it is not just about telling american allies in this intervention they better step up, that u.s. forces aren't going to lead it forever. this repeated assertion that the
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u.s. is going to pull back also has a domestic audience, and frankly a legal one. the idea that libya is a limited intervention, an intervention that will only take a matter of days, that isn't going to be a sustained military effort, that is key to obama administration's justification for not getting authorization from congress for doing what they're doing. as charlie savage noted in "the new york times" this week, the obama administration appears to be operating on the theory that libyan intervention falls short of what would prompt any necessary congressional authority. the acting solicitor general making the same case. under war powers resolution the president can take military action without first getting authorization from congress if the u.s. involvement is expected to be limited in its expected nature, scope, and duration. so think about this. this is where we are. we have a president who does not want the u.s. to be seen as stomping into another muslim country. we have the repeated promises that the u.s. is not going to be running this thing for much
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longer, the way we have been for the past few days. we have a president that proceeded to this action by a procedural means that requires it to be limited in duration and scope, and we have no clear indication of who takes over from the u.s. if the u.s. does really get out of the lead. the u.s. and britain clearly want nato to take over. france on the other hand says they don't want that, and they are going to invent some committee or something to run it instead. at this point, who knows, could be nato, could not. the very first nato combat mission ever took place in 1994. it came after the u.n. authorized a no-fly zone over bosnia. in february, 1994 in support of that un resolution, nato shot down four serbian jets that violated the no-fly zone. that was the first combat action nato took as an alliance in its history. after shooting down the jets, there was a targeted nato bombing campaign that u.s.
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forces were involved in. an american scott oh grady was shot down and survived six days on the ground before being rescued by u.s. forces. then what had been a limited engagement in bosnia, a no ground troops engagement there broke open in the summer of 1995, when 8,000 men and boys were massacred by boss knee and serb forces. just wives and daughters were left behind. what nato had been doing up to that point was judged to be not enough. the bombing campaign was stepped up massively, it was a nato effort, but one in which the u.s. took the lead role. >> though it is officially a nato operation, american air power dominates the raids. more than 200 allied sort ees so far. war planes flew this corridor across bosnia into sarah yaf oh, knocking out serb air defenses, then bombing targets near the city. >> that sustained bombing campaign went on for weeks and
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weeks, ultimately forced dayton peace accords in november that same year. then afterwards, to enforce the peace accords, even though president clinton said, promised, there would be no u.s. ground troops involved there, in the end there were. >> they asked for america's help as they implement this peace agreement. america has a responsibility to answer that request, to help turn this moment of hope into enduring reality. to do that, troops from our country and around the world would go into bosnia to give them the confidence and support they need to implement their peace plan. i refuse to send american troops to fight a war in bosnia, but i believe we must help to secure the bosnian peace. >> what started there ended up with 20,000 on the ground there. it is not to debate the merits now, what the u.s. is doing in libya, but this is the open question in front of the country now, the question of tactically
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whether it is possible for the u.s. to be involved in an international mission like this in a way that is limited, that is short term, one in which the u.s. is a participant and not a prime mover. that is what president obama says he wants. that is the grounds on which he has proceeded to this without authorization from congress. that's what he says he wants. is it possible? richard engel joins us live from the thick of things in libya next steve: yeah, um, i just goa free rate quote on geico.com, saved a ton, and it only took me 5 minutes and 12 seconds! steve: i was wondering, is that some sort of record? gecko: that's a good question. let's have a look. curtis: mmmm, not quite. someone's got you beat by 8 seconds. gecko: still, i mean, that's... that's quite fast! steve: well, what if i told you i only used one hand? anncr: geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance.
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if you are a regular viewer of the show, you probably benefitted the way we all have from the work of nbc's richard engel. if this is your first time watching or if you haven't seen richard's reporting, you will want to see what we are going to air next. richard is in libya where he was on the frontlines with the rebels today. he and the rebels and the crew got caught up in a rather traumatic mess while his rather incredible camera crew caught it
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on tape. everyone is fine after a harrowing experience. we have the footage next and richard engel is joining us live and alive to show us just what happened and to explain what it means about this war and how it may end. please stay with us.
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the international bombing campaign began in libya, it stole but does not appear to have stopped gadhafi's march on the rebel held city of benghazi. today, his forces were still bombarding civilians 100 miles outside benghazi in the town of ajdabiya. that's where nbc foreign correspondent richard engel traveled to today for what ended up being a harrowing look at the frontlines in the battle for
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libya. >> reporter: the road outside benghazi today is a graveyard of gadhafi's armored vehicles, destroyed by western air strikes. after an hour and a half driving south flanked by desert, we reached the rebels' front line. there are no trenches or sandbags, just men poorly armed that want to fight. the frontline is about five miles outside the town of ajdabiya. rebels watch with binoculars, but can't advance. outgunned, rebels say they are killed whenever they approach gadhafi's forces. we have light weapons, he has tanks, complained one man. another rebel showed me he isn't actually armed at all. >> it is a toy gun. >> reporter: this is amazing, he handed me a toy gun, i didn't realize until he put it in my hand, it is plastic, it is a toy.
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three explosions, 50 yards away. so we were doing interviews, incoming rounds landed in this area. i assume the rebels are starting to flee. rebels cheer they survive this assault by gadhafi's army. there have been several artilleries landed here, we are using this concrete to take cover, see if the artillery round stops long enough for us to get out of the area. shockingly, he leaves to retrieve the plastic gun, but abandons it as we hear another explosion. we leave a few minutes later, find rebels regrouping at a safer distance. but without leadership or close air support they desperately want from the west, the rebels are struggling.
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>> richard engel is back in benghazi, joins us from there tonight. richard, thank you for joining us, staying up so late to do so. we are all very glad you guys are safe. >> reporter: thank you. it is a pleasure to be with you as always. i was listening to the intro, so i'm not allowed to ever go back to new york again? i guess i have to keep revolution surfing across the middle east. i am never going to enjoy your good drinks. >> i will have to meet you in some country where liquor is illegal. i don't think you're going to be allowed to come home, man. this stuff is not ending. >> reporter: next you're going to say we went to college together but weren't friends. but we'll go on from there. i'll move on. >> richard, are the international forces that are fighting in libya, are they fighting gadhafi's military directly now or are they counting on what can be done by the rebels like the ones you retoy?>> reporter: they're givi
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very sort of mixed message. they're joining the fight halfway.o your own hands behind your back, and when you're on the frontlines, you realize completely that this incredible western support is so appreciated and so crucial. i'm in benghazi now. this city probably would have been overrun and there would have been massacres here if you speak to almost anyone if gadhafi's forces had gotten in. the people are very happy about that. then you go to ajdabiya where the rebels probably wouldn't have gotten that far had the intervention not taken place, so already that's some progress. but then when you get to the front line, you see the rebels and they can't get further because gadhafi's troops and tanks and artillery are still in a part of ajdabiya, and the rebels are begging for close air support. they want apaches, a-10s, and it wouldn't take that much.
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a few apaches flying over, taking out the tanks would allow the rebels to go forwardnd so ofish theobbuth ndf titeeliohi with a-10s or apaches, the kind of thing you need ground troops to do or someone that can communicate with the aircraft above, doesn't seem to be going that far. they threw them a life preserver but haven't gotten them to the boat. >> you talk about the need foreground troops if you are doing something like close air support, have helicopter gun ships supporting people fighting on the ground. do the rebels want foreign ground troops to help them? do they know that's what it would mean to have close air support? >> reporter: they do know that. and it is an emotional thing. they don't want to see gadhafi thrown out by the 82nd american airborne division, or the 101st or anything like that. but if there were groups of 12 team alphas, special forces here, hidden away someplace,
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giving them advice and communicating with aircraft, i know they would accept that. i spoke with some rebel leaders who definitely want that. they're even considering hiring security experts on their own and there are a lot of i guess you could call them mercenaries available on the open market, british, sas, people that retired, are now working more or less free-lance. they're looking actively to hire people like that, and it would certainly be more effective and cheaper and less chaotic than having all of the wannabe rambos floating in if they had some sort of direct communication with the people who are giving them military cover. >> richard, the u.s. government is really inf this stretches on for a long time, they're saying the u.s. will be a participant and not running
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things. from what you are experiencing of the international effort there so far, from what you know about american war making, does a transition like that seem feasible to the u.s. just participating and not leading? >> reporter: no, it doesn't. i've seen a lot of international war efforts over the years. in lebanon, that was international effort, and it was almost completely useless because you had troops from many different nations, no one was really in charge, they didn't speak the same languages, didn't have the same objectives. you saw in afghanistan when it was purely a nato mission in early years, the italians had one set of rules, they had their own caveats, they wouldn't fly into war zones or fly at night. the americans were on aggressive counter terrorism mission, and itidn't work, and look what happenedn ghanisn.
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'rstl sillteyes fhtg atar isodsikamicwas evytng tht be unless you get really involved, it's not going to be quick, and that seems to be the biggest draw back, it's the timing. if you keep doing this, flying over the sky, and if you see a tank, taking it out, that helps certainly, and it saved benghazi. but what gadhafi did and his troops did, which i think anybody who would be with the tank command would do rationally, you would pull troops back into another area. if you are commanding the rachel maddow tanks and they are attacking, you pull back to the town and use it effectively as a human shield and that's exactly what's going on in ak da bea. we were on the rebel side, about five miles out, firing over the no man's land. they were also firing into ajdabiya, and killing people in the city itself, because there's a rebel movement in ajdabiya. because of the nature of the
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support going on now, the airplanes in the sky won't attack inside ajdabiya because it is in a populated area. you need close air support, you need coordination, you need more precise targeting for that, and that usually means at least somebody on the ground. >> richard, what kind of pressure do you think it would take to get gadhafi himself to either give up or leave? they're not talking explicitly about regime change as the goal of this military operation, they say it is not, that's one way to end this, but can you imagine the pressure it would take to cause that outcome? >> reporter: i think it would be about the amount of pressure released by one 500 pound j-dam. a big bomb. i can't imagine he would leave under any other circumstances, unless he felt directly threatened, or and this is the hope here at least, that the tribes turn on him. this is a tribal society, and
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the country is roughly divided into two now. you have the tribes and the people out here in the east that are clearly with this rebellion. the army units that defected, they're nowhere to be seen. i don't know what happened to them. remember, a few days ago, we were looking for the army commander. he had taken the day off. the tribes closer to tripoli are still more or less with gadhafi, and if they will switch, that would undercut a tremendous amount of his support and maybe, maybe convince him to leave, but probably it is more likely that the pressure from high explosive would end this quickly. >> richard engel, nbc news chief foreign correspondent in benghazi, libya, not allowed to come home, not allowed to sleep, doing an amazing job despite those restrictions. richard, thank you again. >> reporter: my pleasure.
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the trouble with doing unpopular things is they have a tendency to make the doer of those things unpopular. you would think politicians would understand this since their careers are made or broken on the popular vote. that said, ladies and gentlemen, behold tennessee where republicans in the state legislature are pushing a bill to strip union rights from teachers, where union supporters turn out by the thousands, and law enforcement has been bodily hauling protesters out of committee meetings. lawmakers in tennessee introduced this bill before wisconsin became a synonym for republican regret in 2011. and now, despite the demonstrations in nashville and the objections of the republican governor that the union stripping bill is maybe not so
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smart a move there, republican lawmakers in the tennessee state legislature are just going for it. they moved a version of this bill through a key house vote yesterday. the senate in tennessee is insisting on an even more draconian version of the bill. if they go through with it, anyone praying for a bluer tennessee after the next election will probably be able to senthe democric thank you card to threpublican gislature come next election. look at the polling on this. the republicans great 2011 overreach over people that work for a living is not working out well politically for the republicans. in ohio, freshman republican governor there is john kasich. he says ohio is broke. his proposed fixes include giving away $229 million the state now gets from regulating booze, taking that money out of the budget and giving it instead to businesses. governor kasich also has his own union stripping bill, complete with union protests, his own mini wisconsin there in beautiful downtown columbus. break the unions, let them march in the streets, give the state's
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money to businesses. we're broke. that's the plan from the governor of ohio. here is the response from the people of ohio. from a poll released today, ohio voters disapprove 46-30% of the way governor kasich is handling his job. his approval rating is 30% now. 30% approve of the job he is doing as governor. on union stripping, more than half say they oppose his plan to limit collective bargaining rights. 53% call the budget unfair to people like them. in ohio as in the rest of the country, 53% is what's known as a majority. in pennsylvania, tom corbett sweeps into office, announces a budget crisis, says he will solve it by giving away $333 million in tax breaks for businesses. governor corbett, that agenda translates into 31% of pennsylvania voters saying you are doing an excellent or even good job.
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among voters that say they're in your republican party, 41% say you're doing fair or poor. 14% say they have no idea. gov, remember the base? you had one once. michigan governor rick snyder comes into office, also says the state's broke, michigan is broke, so we have no choice but to spend $1.8 billion on a big business tax give away. also wants to raise taxes on seniors and working class people. the results of those unpopular proposals for governor snyder's popularity, meet gravity. a survey from public policy polling shows governor snyder has approval rating of 33%, also known as a third. a previous poll found more people object to raising taxes on michigan seniors and the poor and giving that money to business than like the idea. these are not the returns a new governor wants to see in the first months of the first term for top priorities.
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but hey, polsters note at least these guys are not wisconsin governor scott walker. after he proposed stripping state employees of their union rights, he finds himself bracing for a recall campaign. this is the same scott walker that won by 6 points, not that long ago. recent polling from february shows him losing a hypothetical do over election by 7 points. that's if you're counting at 13 point swing against him. that's the definition of buyer's remorse. scott walker, the people of wisconsin are sorry they voted for you, wish they had not picked you. a year from now they may recall you. the milwaukee sentinel that endorsed walker mused about their endorsement. they listed his many faults and said it is too soon to decide yet. the new republican governors are learning the hard way, that doing unpopular things makes you unpopular. taking money and resources away
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from working class and middle class voters and giving to corporations to folks at the skinny part of the economic pyramid, not working for you guys. just saying. joining us now, democratic senator sherrod brown of the great state of ohio. senator brown, great to have you here. >> good to be here. thank you, rachel. >> let me ask you about the polling numbers. will public polling change what's happening in the states? >> not clear. you start with the 2010 campaign in ohio and i assume in all the states with troubled economies, the campaigns were all about we've got to create jobs. once the governors took office, again talking more about ohio because i know more about ohio, their emphasis is on the legislature, governor's emphasis has been on restricting -- many more restrictions on abortion rights, have been going after collective bargaining rights. i mean, they're taking rise. they declared this on the middle
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class, taking rights from people and lost the focus on jobs. negative polling by and large has been that they are taking rights and aren't paying attention to jobs. that in a nutshell is i think why they are so grossly unpopular unbelievably quickly which normally doesn't happen for a new executive. in ohio, we don't have a recall process, but voters can decide whether they accept this law. there will be petitions after the governor signs the bill, after he signs it into law, the recall, this referendum likely will take place in november, and that's when i think you're going to see a different direction in the country. they've governed by ideology, they've not governed practically discussing jobs and they're going to pay for it. >> i wonder about that i guess
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direct political utility of something like a referendum that you describe. every time you look at anything economically pop list making it onto the ballot, like raising minimum wage or something about rights of people that work for a living, it tends to not only pass but pass by a lot, and drive democratic voter turnout. i wonder with that opportunity in ohio to get some of the rescinding of some of these things on the ballot, if it is an opportunity for democrats to claw back a lot of losses from the last election, if it is going to drive likely democratic voters to the polls. >> six republican senators, i believe six, voted against this repeal of collective bargaining rights. i think they already have begun to fear what this is going to mean politically for their careers personally and for the party. we go to the ballot in november. we have this referendum, repeal the collective bargaining -- taking away of collective bargaining rights. you see a whole new group of people voting for democrats now,
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police and fire, who have not been so democratic, and you see teachers and nurses and others instead of voting 60%, maybe they vote 85% democratic, and that changes the whole equation, plus the kind of momentum. one of the things we are doing, we are starting to organize. i encourage people to go on my website, sherrodbrown.com/ohio to sign up, help begin the referendum process. that doesn't sign the petition but helps with the organizing. i think you're going to see organizing in my state and other places in whatever avenue they have, whether referendum recall or organizing because they are unhappy. you're going to see that, something we haven't seen in this country in a long time. people are driven by feelings of anger if they're being targeted like teachers, but you're seeing a lot of religious people and a lot of advocates for all kinds of rights and people who are just unhappy with what they are
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doing to the middle class and to people that work for a living. i think that's a wave that the republicans were not expecting a couple months ago that they're now becoming fearful of. >> in terms of national importance of this and whether or not it is fully appreciated, also i guess whether or not this is going to translate into different politics on capitol hill as opposed to just in the streets of the state capitols around the country, there was supposedly a big national tea party convention this weekend in florida. they had like 25 speakers, all of this entertainment, a-list tea party folks. the turnout was something on the order of 300 people. big, empty conference rooms full of no tea partiers. meanwhile, every day if you google tea party, especially about how it is affecting national politics, the coverage is just as intense as it ever was, as if this is still a movement driving american politics. you have 100,000 people in the streets of madison. five straight weeks of tens of thousands in the streets of all these state capitols.
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thbeway don't seem tbe tcngnto thfa ts may be a real grass roots effort. >> whether it is the senate and house, they are usually the last to know. i think that's right what you said. in columbus where they had demonstrations and places like medina and mansfield, we had demonstrations in a county of 100 thousand, you have 500 or 1,000 people show up. i heard people say at the rallies 15 people across the street holding tea party signs. they are really overmatched. the influence of the tea party is felt among house republicans in columbus and in washington, the freshmen that subscribe to the tea party on philosophy and agenda, they're still there, still speaking out, still voting with their legislative cards unfortunately. so their impact is there, but our impact is longer term because in the end, people in this country care about fairness.
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that's why religious folks, that's why nonpublic employees, labor unions and nonunions alike, people in the workplace that care about being treated decently in this society are coming to our side on it. i think it's really clear. >> sherrod brown from ohio, good to have you here. >> always a pleasure. happy birthday, health reform. our birthday gift to health reform is return of debunktion junction. that's coming up. first, one more thing about republican governors making themselves famous. maine's governor paul lepage supports union stripping in his state. when wisconsin erupted in huge protests against the union stripping bill, governor lepage in maine got publicly excited about the prospect protests would come to maine next as he tried to pull off the same thing. he also proposes raising retirement age for state workers and supports a huge 19th-century rollback of child labor laws. in case the whole hostility against working people wasn't big enough, they are going so
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far as to sensor art about people that work for a living. he is tearing down art on the basis of content because he thinks it is too working class. department of labor in maine moves into consolidated headquarters in 2007. they commissioned a mural, showing the history of working people in maine. it shows loggers, people on strike, shows the aforementioned child laborers that governor lepage doesn't have a problem with. his administration decided to dismantle the mural, take it down. and you know, frankly, you can see how it might be distracting for a paul lepage led agency. you try to do that with all of those socialist eyes staring at you judging, howould you like it?
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today, speaker of the house john boehner tweeted gleefully about how awful health reform is. quote, one year later, job crushing obamacare remains as unpopular as ever. he even invented a health reform
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suction hashtag for his followers. what he links to is a cnn poll on their website. they titled it time doesn't change views on healthcare law. remember, mr. boehner is telling people to read the poll because it proves how unpopular health reform is. what this thing he linked to says is that 43% are opposed to health reform. americans are in fact opposed to health reform, in cnn's words, because it was, quote, too liberal. but 37% of americans like it. and an additional 13% of americans wanted even more liberal version of health reform. so 43% don't like it, a total of 50% like it or say they want more. so when john boehner said cnn proved obamacare is as unpopular as ever, what he really means is a majority of the people like it, or want even more, and that is a significantly higher proportion of the population than that which sides with him. against health care reform. when john boehner says health
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reform is unpopular, what he means is health reform is popular. hash tag, omg, lol. at the anniversary of the signing of the health reform act, your opponents tried to kill you about making up things about death panels and muslims exempt from health reform and all the rest. the opponents are celebrating your birthday by making up all sorts of stuff about you all over again. that is a great occasion to bring back our beloved controversial poorly animated segment that we call debunktion junction. >> this year insurance companies will never be able to drop people's coverage when they get sick. they won't be able to place limits on the amount of care they can receive. today i'm signing this reform bill into law on behalf of my mother. who argued with insurance companies, even as she battled cancer in her final days. it's going to mean that millions of people can get health care that don't have it currently. i heard one of the republican leaders say this was going to be
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quote, i don't even want to think what might have happened if she had been born at a time and place where government defined the limits for most insurance policies, and set precedence on what would be covered. this is strong stuff. this senator's claim, his threat here is essentially if his daughter had been born with a heart condition now, she would have been death paneled. she would have been left to die, rather than having been treated. because health reform would have blocked the kind of treatment she received. strong stuff. but he is a united states senator and that is what he's threatening. is it true or false, would it have kept her from getting the treatment she needed to save her life? is it true or false? it's false. i just realize it's the "wall street journal" editorial page, but i'm surprised someone let this be published in a newspaper. when he cites, government defined limits on insurance policies setting precedence on what would be covered, that sure sounds awful, but that's not what health reform is.
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one of the first provisions of health reform to go into effect is a ban on insurance companies using pre-existing conditions to deny health coverage to kids. so really, the effect of health reform in a case like this, because of health reform, more kids might be covered by insurance. more kids will have health insurance. so like johnson's daughter, they will have a chance of getting life-saving treatment like johnson's daughter did. she got the health insurance with his private health insurance, she would still get it today. health reform will not affect that. the difference is, now more other kids can get insurance, too. everybody is delighted for the johnson family's happy health care outcome that he used as the piece for his op-ed today. but using your family's history to make a political point is not enough to make that political point true. next up, true or false. former house speaker and perpetual fund-raiser offered the idea he might run for president, newt gingrich. newt gingrich is for u.s.
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military intervention in libya. is that true or false? true. on march 7th, mr. gingrich appeared on greta van susteren's program on fox news, kick butt with impunity. >> what would you do about libya? >> exercise a no-fly zone this evening. communicate to the libyan military that gadhafi was gone, and that the sooner they switched sides, the more likely they would survive. provide help to the rebels. this is a moment to get rid of him. do it. get over with it. the united states doesn't need anybody's permission. >> we do not need anybody's permission, per mr. gingrich. libya, here we come. next up, true or false? former house speaker and still thinking about running for president as long as you've give him money in the meantime, newt gingrich is not for u.s. military intervention at all. he says, no intervention in libya. is that true or false?
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also true. it is true that he is for intervention in libya, it is also true he's against intervention in libya. let's review. less than two weeks ago mr. gingrich said this. >> exercise no-fly zone this evening. do it. get it over with. >> now that mr. obama has done just that, mr. gingrich thinks that is a horrible idea. >> i would not have intervened. i think there were a lot of other ways to effect gadhafi. >> same guy, same libya. luckily there's facebook where this afternoon mr. gingrich sought to clarify his positions on libya. after being super in favor of it, until obama did it, then super against it once he did, mr. girich crified tod o his fabo page that he was against intervening. whsibad gatoe ould tervene, he totally supports the mission. there's always tomorrow.

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